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But...it's not 4. In the absence of parentheses, you do multiplication and division before you do addition and subtraction, so it's (2x8)-(4/3) = 16-1.333333 = 14.666667

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So a lot of people intuitively approach math this way, and this is kind of how they teach it now (via the much-maligned common core) and I firmly believe that if I had been taught this way - some actually processes and rigor around the intuitive approach - I might be able to do math now.

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Danny, I just want you to know I do arithmetic in *exactly* this way and I went on to get a degree in architecture from a university that prides itself on forcing all its architecture students to take the same essential engineering courses as the actual _engineering majors_ for the first three years.

What I am saying is, you could be an engineer with these maths.

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TBH, this is exactly what I thought being married to a teacher would be like as a kid.

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17x15 stumped me, I must say. I did 5x7 which is of course 35, as previously discussed, then did 10x10, but twice because... there's two of them? Anyway that's 200 so 200+35 = 235. I do not know where they other 25 went.

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